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lostlovinloon · 03-17-2008, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by JB Sawyer

No. It looked like that FF was quite close to the rescue, due to Sun's birth-giving and the still freshness of the Oceanic 6.

The funeral was obviously much later on due to Jack's mindset and facial growth.

yea thinkin about it the sun givin birth must've only been 7 months away at most and the funeral was long after that seeing the state of jack and the fact that aaron must've been much older wondering where kate was!

not sure that makes sense but i know what i mean.

Addicted*to*lost · 03-17-2008, 01:45 AM

Did I miss something? I thought we only knew of 5 of the Oceanic 6, Sun, Jack, Kate, Hurley & Sayid. Or is Aaron being classed as one?

JB Sawyer · 03-17-2008, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Addicted*to*lost

Did I miss something? I thought we only knew of 5 of the Oceanic 6, Sun, Jack, Kate, Hurley & Sayid. Or is Aaron being classed as one?

Yeah Aaron is classed as one

Addicted*to*lost · 03-17-2008, 02:00 AM

Thanks! I thought that seeing as he technically wasn't a passenger then he wouldn't.

***D-Roc*** · 03-17-2008, 10:42 AM

Ji Yeon. On first viewing I wasn't overly impressed with this episode, however on 2nd viewing it came into it's own - like most of the season 4 episodes (I'm beginning to think that the Valis reference actually goes deeper than a mere plot reference and actually relates to us viewers).

An episode filled with emotion, betrayal, forgiveness, hope, intruige and revelation..this is was fairly good stuff.

Once again Lost has developed the habbit of being able to hold a central story without the central characters being involved or focused upon - this not only leaves me excited for the rest of the season, but leaves me trembling with glee that we still have Ben and Locke centrics to look forward to.

The worst kept secret in the history of worst kept secrets was finally revealed - Michael's back, and boy am I glad to see him return. I've always loved him and Walt as characters, even when he killed Ana-Lucia I still learned to forgive him. Now I want to find out what has happened to Walt (is he dead hence ghost-like Manifestation appearance to Locke?) and why he's undercover on Widmore's boat. I thought they dealt with his re-introduction very well, i'm so glad they didn't focus an entire centric around it and i'm very pleased that they didn't leave it for a cliff-hanger reveal, because everyone knew (even spoiler-free me knew!) and to oversell it would have been a disaster. So yeah, well played on that one.

I had been complaining about the lack of Jin/Sun involvement and I had even begun to doubt just why I like Jin, butI was reminded why with this beautifully heart-wrenching display of deceit, forgiveness and love. Jules deserved her slap from Sun, but Sun deserved to be told on and Jin deserved to know - it's called KARMA, Sun. The fact that Jin had the depth to forgive her within a 12 hour period - and BEFORE he even enquired about whether he was really the father, shows just how much he loves Sun and just how far he has come. He once was an angry man..a servant of acceptance, now he's loving, affectionate Jin once more..one of the few islanders who has changed completely and utterly and for the better. No wonder he's 'dead', as the redemption types always die as we know - Eko, Ana-Lucia, Shannon, Charlie..

But is he dead..like really? Hugo was looking mightly shifty (and heavy).

The scene near the end with him, Sun and that ray of hope Ji Yeaon was classic Lost. No, I didn't cry (I'm a man, man), but i was moved despite my contempt for the woman. Jin loved her so much, so there must surely be something good about her.

The flash-forward/flash-back thing was clever - just when I thought they had run out of tricks they pull another one out of there magic box.

Although seriously, they still need to focus on small glitches in perfection - Like Jin using an American accent (WHAT!??) and Jinn 'suddenly' learning how to speak full sentances in english. Yes, I know they have to expediate the story, but please don't patronise me with that pathetic little 'let's explain why Jin can suddenly speak complete sentances in English' scene with Jack (who is really beginning to grate on me with his poncing around). Oh and the other patronising scene with Sayid explaining that Ben said he had a man on the boat right before he read the note from the man on the boat was a little insulting - we are watching Darlton!

Apart from that a strong episode with losts of little things to mull over.

The_abbott · 03-17-2008, 12:34 PM

I do tend to find Sun/Jin episodes a tad slow and dull. They are not my favourite characters but you do care what happens to them. Jin is probably the character that has changed more then anybody. I hated him in season 1 but as the character has grown I have grown to like him. He wants whats best for his family.

But I still found the episode a little dull. I was always hoping the next scene was a boat scene as the Sayid/Des scenes were more complelling to watch. The Bernard/Jin scene was a nice moment but did we really need to see it? Bernard is like watching paint dry!!

It also made no sense he clearly knew what Bernard was talking about yet claims to not understand sentances!! - maybe he was just pretending to listen to Bernard. I know I would

Jack (using a Roco term) 'ponses' about in the background in this one. Those Jack scenes even annoy me!

Michael's return - well we all knew it was coming from day 1 with the name "Harold Perrineu (sp)" credited on every episode but it will be interesting to find out how he got on the boat - did he meet Charles Widmore?

The Captain seems a nice chap and forthcoming but this is Lost and hes bound to be lying!!

Regina - nice to finally see her but well she drowned herself fairly swiftly - must of heard Kate was alive or something. I'd jump too.

Jins death - mmm I'm not too sure. I saw the flash/back/forward coming as Jin had "season 1 hair!" and Sun kept referring to Jin as her husband and alive so I reckon he is alive and oin the island so then you still have the reunion in season 6.

Hurley looked all

didn't he. So maybe he pushed Jin out the chopper to get the last available place LOL!!

Not a bad episode it beats the 3/10 I gave Eggtown but I give it a 6 so rather then saw the second worst I will say the 6th best episode this season.

Mrs Ferg · 03-17-2008, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by firebreathingfishies

I saw this on Friday, but at the end... Christ! I think I cried more than when any other person died in the history of Lost! I just hope he's not really dead, like he's still alive on the island or something

Oh Jin...

And OMFG Michael lol

Who didn't see that coming with a ton of bricks on its head?

Wonder where Walt is?

Oh Jin...

You know I think he just might be. I have not seen any other post in this thread yet but I am sure his "death" date on his tombstone was 22nd sept 2004, which was when the plane crashes wasnt it? so prehapes he decided to stay on the island and "fake" his death in the plane crash. Just a thought.

Lauren [is Lost] · 03-17-2008, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrs Ferg

You know I think he just might be. I have not seen any other post in this thread yet but I am sure his "death" date on his tombstone was 22nd sept 2004, which was when the plane crashes wasnt it? so prehapes he decided to stay on the island and "fake" his death in the plane crash. Just a thought.

Perhaps there is only one more space on the helicopter and Jin tells Sun to take it? So she's safe, and Sun knows that pregnant women die on the island so she NEEDS to get off. Jin & Sun are there when the chopper leaves and Jin tells Sun to save herself. And then when she gets back to Korea she has to say that her husband died in the crash, just to explain where he is??

Or was that all just really obvious? Lol...

Lauren [is Lost] · 03-17-2008, 06:01 PM

Time for my review....great episode, i thought!! I'm not a big fan of Sun/Jin centrics, but as soon as they showed a Sun flash(back) i knew that it was infact a flash forward and that she was one of the O6. Then when they showed Jin's flash i assumed that he gets off the island too...the idea of them having seperate flashes i did NOT see coming!! That was excellently done i thought! As soon as Jin got to the hospital with the panda i realised it was a flashback...also as soon as Hurley said the baby looked like Jin i knew Jin was dead. I'm still undecided as to whether he is actually dead though, but for the moment i am going to say that he is.
Moving on - MICHAEL!! I KNEW he would be on the boat, as did most people, and for some reason i just knew it would be today that he appeared. Great stuff

My theory is that Ben is forcing him to do whatever it is he's doing by threatening Walt. Also i loved Sayid's face when he saw Michael!!

Brilliant, Sayid! Des just looked baffled lol.
I reckon next week Claire will die, hence how Kate gets Aaron, and the O6 leave the island with 2 bodies (Claire's and Jin's) which fits with Jack's courtroom story about 8 surviving the crash.
I would like to work out the timeline of all the flashforwards, but i think i'll start a new thread...
I gave this episode 8/10.

***Kiowa Warrior*** · 03-17-2008, 06:32 PM

Yeah this was definately a solid episode, but not up there with the greats though. And although Jin's death was sad it really didn't effect me much at all...I found it shocking more than anything else. And I didn't guess it was a flashback/flashforward until I thought about it for a few moments after the episode had finished...I was initially thinking up reasons why Jin would have faked his death upon leaving the island and gone back to work for Paik! Lol

And the writers still have it in for Locke, don't they; of all the things Bernard could have said to Jin, spelling out 'Locke's a murderer' had to be one of them. *sigh* No-one can argue against that, but what I still don't understand is why Rose - and thereby Bernard - are bad mouthing just him when pretty much everyone on the Island has blood on their hands. I mean seriously, were Rose and Bernard looking the other way when Jack tried twice to put a bullet through Locke's head? Or when Locke refused to shoot Jack even though that's - arguably - the one thing he wanted to do? Seems that wonderful leader Jack and his sidekicks can't seem to do anything wrong for some people and get free passes all round!

JB Sawyer · 03-17-2008, 08:16 PM

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And the writers still have it in for Locke, don't they; of all the things Bernard could have said to Jin, spelling out 'Locke's a murderer' had to be one of them. *sigh* No-one can argue against that, but what I still don't understand is why Rose - and thereby Bernard - are bad mouthing just him when pretty much everyone on the Island has blood on their hands.

I wanted to kiss Bernard at that moment

Murgatroyd · 03-17-2008, 08:32 PM

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I wanted to kiss Bernard at that moment

So did I, I'm afraid. Ki's right to point out that, on that island, you've basically got a pretty sorry bunch to choose from, and it's a fairly shady decision when you consider that Jack himself nearly murdered Locke in the very scene Rose chose to side with him, but I do applaud Bernard's general sentiment. I don't personally believe life's as course-correctingly fair as he clearly does, but it's nice to think that, regardless of their 'rescuer's' true motives, straightforwardly refusing to side with people who've committed acts you abhor ought to count for something. Locke (and Ben) may feel he has a great cause at stake and his way may even be better for the Losties in the long run than Jack's, but those facts alone can't be allowed to justify unnecessary ill behaviour, and I have to respect those who acknowledge that truth even at the potential expense of their own safety.

As to why Jack over Locke, I suppose it's because Jack, for all his failings, has spent far more time actively seeking to help people like Rose to escape than Locke, who's actually put a great deal of effort into keeping people stranded purely for his own selfish ends. And unfair though this may be, both Rose and Bernard could probably sympathise with and more readily forgive Jack's passion-filled attack on Locke than they could Locke's distressingly collected and (to them at least) unfathomable attack on Naomi.

*SP* · 03-17-2008, 08:56 PM

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As to why Jack over Locke, I suppose it's because Jack, for all his failings, has spent far more time actively seeking to help people like Rose to escape than Locke, who's actually put a great deal of effort into keeping people stranded purely for his own selfish ends. And unfair though this may be, both Rose and Bernard could probably sympathise with and more readily forgive Jack's passion-filled attack on Locke than they could Locke's distressingly collected and (to them at least) unfathomable attack on Naomi.

But surely Rose, of all people, would understand what had driven him to such actions. OK, she might not agree with his methods, but Rose knows how special the Island is, how all is not as it seems. Rose, until very recently didn't want to leave the Island either and I'd have thought he position regarding Locke would have been a little less black and white. And before anyone says she (and Locke) could have chosen just to stay on the Island even if the rest of the survivors were rescued...I think we know, and even Rose knows deep down, that just wasn't really an option.

Bernard's comment was harsh man

Murgatroyd · 03-17-2008, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by *SP*

But surely Rose, of all people, would understand what had driven him to such actions. OK, she might not agree with his methods, but Rose knows how special the Island is, how all is not as it seems. Rose, until very recently didn't want to leave the Island either and I'd have thought he position regarding Locke would have been a little less black and white. And before anyone says she (and Locke) could have chosen just to stay on the Island even if the rest of the survivors

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*D-Roc* Hello Again :) Island Architect Tournaments Won: 1 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Locke's Heart Fave Character: Locke Lost Item: Crucifix Posts: 17,172	Ji Yeon. On first viewing I wasn't overly impressed with this episode, however on 2nd viewing it came into it's own - like most of the season 4 episodes (I'm beginning to think that the Valis reference actually goes deeper than a mere plot reference and actually relates to us viewers). An episode filled with emotion, betrayal, forgiveness, hope, intruige and revelation..this is was fairly good stuff. Once again Lost has developed the habbit of being able to hold a central story without the central characters being involved or focused upon - this not only leaves me excited for the rest of the season, but leaves me trembling with glee that we still have Ben and Locke centrics to look forward to. The worst kept secret in the history of worst kept secrets was finally revealed - Michael's back, and boy am I glad to see him return. I've always loved him and Walt as characters, even when he killed Ana-Lucia I still learned to forgive him. Now I want to find out what has happened to Walt (is he dead hence ghost-like Manifestation appearance to Locke?) and why he's undercover on Widmore's boat. I thought they dealt with his re-introduction very well, i'm so glad they didn't focus an entire centric around it and i'm very pleased that they didn't leave it for a cliff-hanger reveal, because everyone knew (even spoiler-free me knew!) and to oversell it would have been a disaster. So yeah, well played on that one. I had been complaining about the lack of Jin/Sun involvement and I had even begun to doubt just why I like Jin, butI was reminded why with this beautifully heart-wrenching display of deceit, forgiveness and love. Jules deserved her slap from Sun, but Sun deserved to be told on and Jin deserved to know - it's called KARMA, Sun. The fact that Jin had the depth to forgive her within a 12 hour period - and BEFORE he even enquired about whether he was really the father, shows just how much he loves Sun and just how far he has come. He once was an angry man..a servant of acceptance, now he's loving, affectionate Jin once more..one of the few islanders who has changed completely and utterly and for the better. No wonder he's 'dead', as the redemption types always die as we know - Eko, Ana-Lucia, Shannon, Charlie.. But is he dead..like really? Hugo was looking mightly shifty (and heavy). The scene near the end with him, Sun and that ray of hope Ji Yeaon was classic Lost. No, I didn't cry (I'm a man, man), but i was moved despite my contempt for the woman. Jin loved her so much, so there must surely be something good about her. The flash-forward/flash-back thing was clever - just when I thought they had run out of tricks they pull another one out of there magic box. Although seriously, they still need to focus on small glitches in perfection - Like Jin using an American accent (WHAT!??) and Jinn 'suddenly' learning how to speak full sentances in english. Yes, I know they have to expediate the story, but please don't patronise me with that pathetic little 'let's explain why Jin can suddenly speak complete sentances in English' scene with Jack (who is really beginning to grate on me with his poncing around). Oh and the other patronising scene with Sayid explaining that Ben said he had a man on the boat right before he read the note from the man on the boat was a little insulting - we are watching Darlton! Apart from that a strong episode with losts of little things to mull over. __________________ Ben shows Jack how to Pop his Collar --- Following Ben Linus to the end of the wheel AND IN TURN, THE END OF TIME & SPACE Time is Not Linear, Hence it can be LOST

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The_abbott SHANNON'S BACK SCRUB Island Believer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Shannon's Bikini Fave Character: Shannon Lost Item: Sonic Fence Posts: 7,590 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 3	I do tend to find Sun/Jin episodes a tad slow and dull. They are not my favourite characters but you do care what happens to them. Jin is probably the character that has changed more then anybody. I hated him in season 1 but as the character has grown I have grown to like him. He wants whats best for his family. But I still found the episode a little dull. I was always hoping the next scene was a boat scene as the Sayid/Des scenes were more complelling to watch. The Bernard/Jin scene was a nice moment but did we really need to see it? Bernard is like watching paint dry!! It also made no sense he clearly knew what Bernard was talking about yet claims to not understand sentances!! - maybe he was just pretending to listen to Bernard. I know I would Jack (using a Roco term) 'ponses' about in the background in this one. Those Jack scenes even annoy me! Michael's return - well we all knew it was coming from day 1 with the name "Harold Perrineu (sp)" credited on every episode but it will be interesting to find out how he got on the boat - did he meet Charles Widmore? The Captain seems a nice chap and forthcoming but this is Lost and hes bound to be lying!! Regina - nice to finally see her but well she drowned herself fairly swiftly - must of heard Kate was alive or something. I'd jump too. Jins death - mmm I'm not too sure. I saw the flash/back/forward coming as Jin had "season 1 hair!" and Sun kept referring to Jin as her husband and alive so I reckon he is alive and oin the island so then you still have the reunion in season 6. Hurley looked all didn't he. So maybe he pushed Jin out the chopper to get the last available place LOL!! Not a bad episode it beats the 3/10 I gave Eggtown but I give it a 6 so rather then saw the second worst I will say the 6th best episode this season. __________________ 0 Days to I'm on 6 months LC sabbatical Shannon's 'body'guard Winner of the Joke thread battle with FBF Winner of the DINNER is the evening meal thread FACT = Kate put the "ate" in "Hate"

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Lauren [is Lost] Discovery Survivor Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The island... Fave Character: Charlie Lost Item: DS Ring Posts: 543	Time for my review....great episode, i thought!! I'm not a big fan of Sun/Jin centrics, but as soon as they showed a Sun flash(back) i knew that it was infact a flash forward and that she was one of the O6. Then when they showed Jin's flash i assumed that he gets off the island too...the idea of them having seperate flashes i did NOT see coming!! That was excellently done i thought! As soon as Jin got to the hospital with the panda i realised it was a flashback...also as soon as Hurley said the baby looked like Jin i knew Jin was dead. I'm still undecided as to whether he is actually dead though, but for the moment i am going to say that he is. Moving on - MICHAEL!! I KNEW he would be on the boat, as did most people, and for some reason i just knew it would be today that he appeared. Great stuff My theory is that Ben is forcing him to do whatever it is he's doing by threatening Walt. Also i loved Sayid's face when he saw Michael!! Brilliant, Sayid! Des just looked baffled lol. I reckon next week Claire will die, hence how Kate gets Aaron, and the O6 leave the island with 2 bodies (Claire's and Jin's) which fits with Jack's courtroom story about 8 surviving the crash. I would like to work out the timeline of all the flashforwards, but i think i'll start a new thread... I gave this episode 8/10. __________________ RIP Charlie Pace

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*Kiowa Warrior* Locke 1, Jack -1000000000 Island Warrior Resident Evil Apocalypse Champion!Tournaments Won: 1 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Locke's Right Hand Side Fave Character: Locke Lost Item: Hunting Knife Posts: 7,023 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 6	Yeah this was definately a solid episode, but not up there with the greats though. And although Jin's death was sad it really didn't effect me much at all...I found it shocking more than anything else. And I didn't guess it was a flashback/flashforward until I thought about it for a few moments after the episode had finished...I was initially thinking up reasons why Jin would have faked his death upon leaving the island and gone back to work for Paik! Lol And the writers still have it in for Locke, don't they; of all the things Bernard could have said to Jin, spelling out 'Locke's a murderer' had to be one of them. sigh No-one can argue against that, but what I still don't understand is why Rose - and thereby Bernard - are bad mouthing just him when pretty much everyone on the Island has blood on their hands. I mean seriously, were Rose and Bernard looking the other way when Jack tried twice to put a bullet through Locke's head? Or when Locke refused to shoot Jack even though that's - arguably - the one thing he wanted to do? Seems that wonderful leader Jack and his sidekicks can't seem to do anything wrong for some people and get free passes all round! __________________ *You can't prove it won't happen...* We got our hearts dipped In time release We got the know how And the elbow greaase Last edited by Kiowa Warrior; 03-17-2008 at 06:34 PM.