NOOO! Minkowski Can't Be Dead!!

[D-Roc]

I refuse to believe it, he can't be dead, right?

Before I go any further, can I just say: How awesome is it to have Fisher Steven's on the show! I remember this dude from Short Circuit!! About 6 months ago Short Circuit was on tv and I was thinking 'what ever happened to that guy?!'..

Anyway, he can't be dead - I mean I know he said "I can't get baack!!" moments before he died, but surely the door is still open for him to be 'alive' in the past...

Although how he'll get back to the present without a living future consciousness, I don't know..

But perhaps (and this is just a personal theory of mine)..perhaps the dead are more 'alive' than we think - especially those who die on (or who's bodies reside on/near) the island. Remember Boone, Yemi, Christian - will Minkowski come back as a 'spirit'??

[JB Sawyer]

I think we have well and truly lost Minkowski Just like poor little Eloise, he suffered a brain arumetism (don't know how to spell it), as the constant conscious time switches caused his brain to implode. Obviously it lasted longer than Eloise due to brain size and capacity but everything has it's limits. Minkowski I'm afraid is dead

However I do believe that there is a strong possibility of George coming back in spirit form. As everybody who dies within the vacinity of the Island Bubble has a chance of doing, the dead may very well rise.

[D-Roc]

Yeah, I think he must surely come back as a spirit or something - afterall he was billed as such an important character (in terms of how many times we heard his voice over the walkie etc) and seemed to be the Frieghtie-leader - alas, he was only their version of Mikhail - Comms officer.

The constant switching between times (or rather, perception of time) and his subsequent orifice bleeding and death, is most interesting - We know that he couldn't find a "constant" in the future (or, present shall we say), but what if he found one in the past - would that anchor him in the past and allow him to re-live that time-line, despite dying in the future?

Also, it was interesting I thought, that he was conscious of the fact that he 'couldn't get back' - most interesting...

I'll add more later, still trying to get me head around this beautiful mess.

[JB Sawyer]

For me he was concious of the fact he couldn't get back because people who suffer from the bubble curse are fully aware that they're switching between times consciously, and therefore would recognise if he couldn't get back.

I also don't think it's a case of either of the two entities being able to live separately. I think once the conscious mind fails as a result of the time switches, which it invariably does by the end i.e. Eloise and Minkowski, then all entities die with it. It is the brain that dies not the body, and so when the brain dies eventually so does any body. Therefore I don't think his body in the past can still survive as a separate entity no.

But yes it was disappointing to find out that Minkowski actually held such a low position at the time, after being billed as the master of answers.

[*SP*]

Originally Posted by JB Sawyer

I also don't think it's a case of either of the two entities being able to live separately. I think once the conscious mind fails as a result of the time switches, which it invariably does by the end i.e. Eloise and Minkowski, then all entities die with it. It is the brain that dies not the body, and so when the brain dies eventually so does any body. Therefore I don't think his body in the past can still survive as a separate entity no.

I'd agree with that. I think that it's the conciousness that ceases to exist and it cannot find another point in time to re-enter the vessel/body. Once that dies, I think that's it ended period, the 'self/ego/brain' no longer can exist in any 'mortal' dimension. I think though maybe there's still the chance to manifest itself in a spirit form. Yemi, Boone etc. The conciousness seeks a higher level than the world it departed. Similar to Bhuddism. We learn from our experiences and actions in this lifetime and hopefully transcend into the next if we've leant enough.

[haelle03]

Originally Posted by D-Roc

Remember Boone, Yemi, Christian -??

Also Ana.

[Losty]

Originally Posted by haelle03

Also Ana.

And Libby. Eko, Shannon, Paulo, Nikki....

CHARLIE!

[JB Sawyer]

Originally Posted by Losty

And Libby. Eko, Shannon, Paulo, Nikki....

CHARLIE!

He was referring to people who are dead but we've seen as visions on the Island etc. Not just all dead characters.

[Losty]

Ah. Right.

Just delete that post then.

[Kiowa Warrior]

Poor Minkowski He did seem like a decent guy, and you have to hope that wherever he 'jumped' to was a good place to go...like on the ferris wheel.

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by JB Sawyer

For me he was concious of the fact he couldn't get back because people who suffer from the bubble curse are fully aware that they're switching between times consciously, and therefore would recognise if he couldn't get back.

I would argue that Desmond wasn't exactly 'aware' that he was about to switch from one time to another - it sort of just 'happened'.

Although I do I know what you mean if you're referring to to moment after they've switched - although my point is that we don't know what this is like, we don't know what such an experience is like. If he 'can't get back', what exactly is happening to him - does his door to the present gradually fade out? Does a metaphorical window simply shut? It would be interesting to see what he saw as he was struggling to get back.

I also don't think it's a case of either of the two entities being able to live separately.

I think once the conscious mind fails as a result of the time switches, which it invariably does by the end i.e. Eloise and Minkowski, then all entities die with it. It is the brain that dies not the body, and so when the brain dies eventually so does any body. Therefore I don't think his body in the past can still survive as a separate entity no.

I would argue that if he was 'unable to get back', it could well indicate that he is now 'stuck' in the past and not necessarily dead in the past - afterall, the language that he used indicated that he was still existing in one time..just unable to get over to his present-time.

I can agree with you on the idea that the two 'living' entities cannot exist seperately, however if we're speaking time-loops (which also hasn't been ruled out) if future-present) Minkowski dies, who's to say the past Minkowski also dies? Past Minkowski could be living in a newly perceived time-line. Again, I believe that we're talking about perception of time, which opens many possibilities.

After all, which entity (past or future) is the source, if you will. We would argue that present Des/Minkowski is the source - but that's because we've watched the show with the narrow perception that the show is unfolding with the time-line that we're watching.

So I kinda agree with you, although I'm catious as the time-loop idea is still out-there.

[Gale243]

I felt really bad that there wasn't anything they could do for him. He seemed like an alright character, I was starting to like him a little.

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by D-Roc

I would argue that Desmond wasn't exactly 'aware' that he was about to switch from one time to another - it sort of just 'happened'.

Although I do I know what you mean if you're referring to to moment after they've switched - although my point is that we don't know what this is like, we don't know what such an experience is like. If he 'can't get back', what exactly is happening to him - does his door to the present gradually fade out? Does a metaphorical window simply shut? It would be interesting to see what he saw as he was struggling to get back.

In saying that, at one point Desmond consciously tried to switch himself back by flashing the light in front of his eyes (nice touch TPTB) and he even said - "I've got to get back". With this in mind, perhaps this shed's some light on what Minkowski was experiencing - it seems likely that his past-self was literally willing himself to go back, and he even momentarily gained consciousness with his future-self, alas the window had closed.