Did Kate kidnapp Aaron?

[Lauren [is Lost]]

Since watching this episode i have been going over the possibilities in my head of WHY and HOW Kate ended up with Aaron...and then a possibility came to me. What if Kate kidnapped Aaron when she left the island?

Just hear me out and i'll explain why i think this...Kate has spoken to Miles about the outside world, right? He told her that everyone is still after her. That she'd probably go straight to jail if she left the island. We assume that this means Kate wants to stay on the island instead. But what if Kate wanted to leave? It's perfectly understandable for her to want to get off that island once and for all. What if she knew there was a way to stop herself from going to jail when she got back? And that idea would be - if she had a child. If Kate had a young son, the chances of her going to jail are much less. Hence the lawyer saying that they needed to make the case not about what she's done, but about who she is - a mother. Now for the big question. Is Kate really that selfish? Ok, we know she has been selfish in the past, but could she bring herself to kidnapp Aaron if she knew it was the only way she wouldn't go to prison? I didnt think so at first, but...now i think that's what she's done. At first i thought that Claire must be dead, but i REALLY can't see the writers killing her off.

Thoughts?

(Btw this may have been discussed already elsewhere...i haven't read the new threads yet)

[Lauren [is Lost]]

Also, it would emphasis why Jack doesn't want to see the baby...because he knows what she did to get him. Remember in the courtroom the lawyer asked Jack if he loved Kate, and he said "Not any more." I know afterwards he said he didn't mean it...but what if he did? What if that's the reason he doesn't love her, because of what she did? Maybe. Or maybe he is so blindly in love with her, which is why he still wants to see her. The possibilities are endless!!

[Andy9283]

Or maybe Kate assumed Claires identity for a while, for some reason. But either got caught or gave in due to guilt. Using Aaron to make it more believeable, as Claire was pregneant off island, so might be on her medical records.

That cud explain why Aaron is a fair bit older at closing scene.

[D-Roc]

Is Kate really that selfish? No doubt about it she is. It's certainly possible..and I woiuldn't put it past her, especially after being reminded of how deplorable she can be in order to get her way.

It would seem as though Miles' answer to her question would make her want to stay on the island..although there is always the possibility that such a decision was taken out of her hands in the first place - by coffin man, perhaps?

Ultimately I don't think she kidnapped Aaron, per se. She may have agreed to look after him (if Claire is still alive, perhaps she asked Kate to take him so that he could live a 'normal' life?), or as you also mentioned, perhaps Claire died.

Personally as much as I want Claire off the show, I think that some sort of deal was made - one involving Claire needing to get Aaron off the island - I suspect that all is not well for folks on the island in the future ("it's the beginning of the end" was not a false dawn, imo), and perhaps Claire thought it best if Aaron leave with those who were 'allowed' to leave..or escape, or whatever.

Still, an interesting aspect of the episode that's for sure.

[esn]

Like I have said else where, Im kinda leaning towards Claire dying and it being Jacks fault - at least, in his eyes. Whilst Kate is morally dislocated enough to kidnapp Aaron and then make out that its no big deal, it seemed to me that Jack had some guilt over Aaron and the fact that he is no longer with his mother suggests to me that this is the case.

I sppose any possablity is possable at this stage though, all we got very little to go on.

[-x-madegurl-x-]

one thing that i cannot understand is why, if kate was to get out of going to jail because she has a child, they haven't taken a dna test to work out who the father is, and from that, worked out that kate is not the mother

[Lauren [is Lost]]

Originally Posted by D-Roc

Is Kate really that selfish? No doubt about it she is. It's certainly possible..and I woiuldn't put it past her, especially after being reminded of how deplorable she can be in order to get her way.

It would seem as though Miles' answer to her question would make her want to stay on the island..although there is always the possibility that such a decision was taken out of her hands in the first place - by coffin man, perhaps?

Ultimately I don't think she kidnapped Aaron, per se. She may have agreed to look after him (if Claire is still alive, perhaps she asked Kate to take him so that he could live a 'normal' life?), or as you also mentioned, perhaps Claire died.

Personally as much as I want Claire off the show, I think that some sort of deal was made - one involving Claire needing to get Aaron off the island - I suspect that all is not well for folks on the island in the future ("it's the beginning of the end" was not a false dawn, imo), and perhaps Claire thought it best if Aaron leave with those who were 'allowed' to leave..or escape, or whatever.

Still, an interesting aspect of the episode that's for sure.

Yeah i considered that maybe Claire gave Aaron to Kate so he could get off the island, but honestly, i dont think Claire would do that. I'm pretty sure she'd rather be with Aaron, even if it meant them both being on the island. Unless they find out that Aaron might die or something for some reason if he stays on the island? And that would be the only way for him to survive? But then why wouldn't Claire leave too? Also, Aaron is referring to Kate as "mummy", so the intention is obviously that Claire never leaves the island - the survivors never go back. So if this is the case, Claire obviously doesn't know about Kate's 'adopting' of Aaron...
Or, indeed, Claire is dead...i think if this is true she must have died on the boat, because Desmond's flash showed her getting on the helicopter, and also i still dont think she would knowingly separate herself from Aaron.

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by madegurl

one thing that i cannot understand is why, if kate was to get out of going to jail because she has a child, they haven't taken a dna test to work out who the father is, and from that, worked out that kate is not the mother

Since it's not a custody case they probably have no reason to doubt her in that respect.

Or it could already be known that Turnip features is adopted (unless that was deffo nullified in the episode?)..

I'll have to rewatch the episode tho

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Lauren [is Lost]

Yeah i considered that maybe Claire gave Aaron to Kate so he could get off the island, but honestly, i dont think Claire would do that. I'm pretty sure she'd rather be with Aaron, even if it meant them both being on the island. Unless they find out that Aaron might die or something for some reason if he stays on the island? And that would be the only way for him to survive? But then why wouldn't Claire leave too? Also, Aaron is referring to Kate as "mummy", so the intention is obviously that Claire never leaves the island - the survivors never go back. So if this is the case, Claire obviously doesn't know about Kate's 'adopting' of Aaron...
Or, indeed, Claire is dead...i think if this is true she must have died on the boat, because Desmond's flash showed her getting on the helicopter, and also i still dont think she would knowingly separate herself from Aaron.

Excellent point about Littleton getting onto the Chopper - unless Des was lying which is unlikely..course correction, perhaps?

Or perhaps, as you suggest, she does die and it's the fault of Jack? Only thing is, he seems pretty chillaxed for a guy who just got his sister killed (although in both 4.01 and 4.04 I sense an undercurrent of angst within him). But then I suppose he hardly even knew her (assuming that he eventually finds out they're related) so perhaps her death wouldn't effect him that much, as long as he stayed away from the 'constant reminder' (aka, Aaron)?

[sawyersballs]

At first i thought that Claire must be dead, but i REALLY can't see the writers killing her off.

Why cant you see the writers killing her off? I think we are gonna see a few go before this season is out! Personally, however, i think it might be a little to obvious for them to kill her off - they wont want us to guess whats gonna happen!!!

[monster-eats-pilot]

I kind of guessed she had a child in the way she acted but Aaron

[lost-lover]

I see three choices here. Either that Claire's dead and Kate agreed to take him with her when Claire died. If the death was Jack's fault, even just in his own opinion (we know what he's like with 'letting go'), it would explain why he doesn't want to see Aaron.
My second veiw would be that Claire was somehow stopped the the island or made a deal with Kate. She wanted Aaron to grow up normally and so Kate took him with her, knowing it would improve her chances at getting a lighter sentence when her case came to trial.
My final option would be that the Oceanic 6 left the island via shady circumstances, maybe took off quickly in a fight and had to leave everyone else behind, maybe only a few could get off the island? Something less-than-honest anyway. In this case Kate would have taken Aaron, (possibly she had been holding him for Claire?) while they were leaving and Claire was just left behind. Jack would have been left with a guilty conscience which explains him not wanting to see Aaron. It could also explain the "WE HAVE TO GO BACK!" at the end of S3 and the vow of silence that we've seen this season, also the whole story which says they were the only survivors.

[*SP*]

I wasn't sure where to put this and didn't want to start a new thread.

I don't know if Kate 'kidnapped Aaron, but I have a feeling Claire's still alive somewhere and not entirely happy that Kate has Aaron. In the scene in the house that Kate and Claire share when John comes in to tell Kate she's being banished, Patsy Cline is playing in the background. Oddly enough the song 'Walking After Midnight' by Patsy Cline played in one of Kate's flashbacks in S1/S2. Anyway, this track was 'She's Got You'. Not all of the lyrics are entirely relevant but some most definitely are imo. See what you think....

She's Got You - Patsy Cline

I've got your picture that you gave to me
And it's signed "with love," just like it used to be
The only thing different, the only thing new
I've got your picture, she's got you

I've got the records that we used to share
And they still sound the same as when you were here
The only thing different, the only thing new,
I've got the records, she's got you

I've got your memory, or has it got me?
I really don't know, but I know it won't let me be

I've got your class ring; that proved you cared
And it still looks the same as when you gave it dear
The only thing different, the only thing new
I've got these little things, she's got you




Hmmmm??????

[Lauren [is Lost]]

Originally Posted by D-Roc

Excellent point about Littleton getting onto the Chopper - unless Des was lying which is unlikely..course correction, perhaps?

Or perhaps, as you suggest, she does die and it's the fault of Jack? Only thing is, he seems pretty chillaxed for a guy who just got his sister killed (although in both 4.01 and 4.04 I sense an undercurrent of angst within him). But then I suppose he hardly even knew her (assuming that he eventually finds out they're related) so perhaps her death wouldn't effect him that much, as long as he stayed away from the 'constant reminder' (aka, Aaron)?

Yeah...or maybe Desmond was mistaken and he actually saw KATE getting into the helicoptor with Aaron?? Hmm...

[Lauren [is Lost]]

Originally Posted by sawyersballs

At first i thought that Claire must be dead, but i REALLY can't see the writers killing her off.

Why cant you see the writers killing her off? I think we are gonna see a few go before this season is out! Personally, however, i think it might be a little to obvious for them to kill her off - they wont want us to guess whats gonna happen!!!

I dont know...dont get me wrong, i can see some characters being killed off, but i just can't see Claire being one of them!