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IM-LOST-WITH-LOST · 02-03-2008, 11:18 PM

So we know that the Black smoke can take on the form of dead people, and seen as Charlie was 'Dead, but still here,' do we assume that it was the B/S? If so why would the black smoke wont hurley and co. back on the island, because from past events, it seemed that it didnt really like the survivors much

The Wizard · 02-03-2008, 11:23 PM

To protect the island?

-x-madegurl-x- · 02-04-2008, 12:11 AM

could be...can the black smoke reform as somebody away from the island though?

IM-LOST-WITH-LOST · 02-04-2008, 12:14 AM

Dunno, but how else would you explain Charlie? Unless its just Hurley manifesting his guilt on leaving the survivors

TheDharmaShark · 02-04-2008, 12:26 AM

I dont like the idea of the monster leaving the Island and appearing all over the place. If its there to protect the Island, why would it leave? I'd like to think its more the Island communicating with Hurley.

IM-LOST-WITH-LOST · 02-04-2008, 12:33 AM

But is the Black smoke not part of the island??

Ahhh who knows!!!!

-x-madegurl-x- · 02-04-2008, 12:35 AM

LOL! it might just actually be Charlie communicating with Hurley from the dead.. like ILWL said... who knows!

Him · 02-04-2008, 01:21 AM

I think there are three possibilities:

The Charlie we saw is the Island/Black Smoke
It's Charlie's ghost
Hurley's having delusions, and it's neither of the above.

Based on the fact Hurley refers to an unnamed 'it', presumably the Island, wanting them to go back, I think Charlie-Ghost being a creation of the monster is possible.

The Monster having abilities off the Island could also mean the coincidences leading up to certain people being on the plane, were less down to chance/fate, and more 'chosen' by the entity.

keeno_82uk · 02-04-2008, 07:58 AM

I see it as Hurley's guilt at being rescued from the island and leaving the rest behind.

this may be that he knows something, like a danger the people on the island are unaware of or it may be that they realise they belong on the island and feel a connection with it.

***D-Roc*** · 02-04-2008, 09:29 AM

I don't think it was smokey - although I do agree with Hurley in regards to the island wanting them to go back.

My understanding from watching this scene and putting into context from previous episodes, is that the dead still exist..only behind the curtain, if you will. I think Charlotte Malkin made an important revelation in Eko's 2.21 flashback - she said that when she momentarily died, she saw Yemi "between places". Deceased Yemi asked her to pass a 'message' on to Eko - this, I believe if very similar to what Hurley experienced. Charlie's 'being'..not necessarily his 'ghost' (although that still works) still exists in another dimension, if you will. The island, perhaps overlaps both our dimension and that dimnesion - which is why such visitations are more apparant on the island.

In saying that, I do believe that the island may have sent Charlie. Although it's quite possible that Charlie sent himself..Hurley's subconscious is still tuned into the island..essentially that is what Hurley's gift is - the radio scene with Sayid near the end of S1, as well as in his 1.19 flashback, is a clue I think. Hurley is able to tune into heigher frequencies (but i'll explain more of that 'idea' in an upcoming theory).

Just to quickly support that, notice how at first Charlie seemed unable to see Hurley..he seemed to walk very slowly, with his arms out-stretch - like how a visually impaired person would if they didn't have their guidedog. I believe that this is because Charlie was stepping over (into this world) and the lin between himself and Charlie only grew stronger once Hurley saw him and eventually began to believe what he was seeing - the link was fully connected once Charlie removed his sunglasses.

If so, this is interesting as it would make sense in my mind, for beings from another dimension to take a while to adjust to coming over to this dimension.

The Wizard · 02-04-2008, 10:54 AM

Yeah he did seem like a blind person at first with the funny walk and the glasses... good spot

Matt Gogi · 02-04-2008, 10:56 AM

I thought that was merely to comfort Hurley...

The Wizard · 02-04-2008, 11:10 AM

Well it could have been but he seemed a little bit unsteady on his feet

And then there's the glasses

Matt Gogi · 02-04-2008, 11:12 AM

But he's a bloody rock god who's dead

They were sunglasses, not blind glasses :P

The Wizard · 02-04-2008, 11:20 AM

What's the difference? I'm not sure there are such a thing as 'blind glasses'... or are there?

02-03-2008, 11:18 PM	#1 (permalink)
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02-04-2008, 12:14 AM	#4 (permalink)
IM-LOST-WITH-LOST Someone please call 911 Survivor Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 4,391	Dunno, but how else would you explain Charlie? Unless its just Hurley manifesting his guilt on leaving the survivors __________________ *W.A.T.L Till the end!! -- Support A Lostie!!* AUSTRALIA -- WORLD CUP 2007 CHAMPIONS!!!

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TheDharmaShark Gilgamesh Survivor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Running off over next doors garden Fave Character: Locke Posts: 2,037 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 2	I dont like the idea of the monster leaving the Island and appearing all over the place. If its there to protect the Island, why would it leave? I'd like to think its more the Island communicating with Hurley. __________________ "Hi, I'm John Morrison, and I dont like Canada."

02-04-2008, 12:33 AM	#6 (permalink)
IM-LOST-WITH-LOST Someone please call 911 Survivor Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 4,391	But is the Black smoke not part of the island?? Ahhh who knows!!!! __________________ *W.A.T.L Till the end!! -- Support A Lostie!!* AUSTRALIA -- WORLD CUP 2007 CHAMPIONS!!!

02-04-2008, 12:35 AM	#7 (permalink)
-x-madegurl-x- Making Taco's for Kate Island Survivor Ultimate Pie Theft Champion! SpongeBob's Pizza Toss Champion! Tournaments Won: 1 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Belper Fave Character: Boone Lost Item: Dharma Flakes Posts: 6,811 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 3	LOL! it might just actually be Charlie communicating with Hurley from the dead.. like ILWL said... who knows! __________________

02-04-2008, 01:21 AM	#8 (permalink)
Him Entering 77 Island Believer Asteroids Champion! Snake Champion! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Glasvegas Fave Character: Locke Lost Item: Whiskey Posts: 7,713 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 6	I think there are three possibilities: The Charlie we saw is the Island/Black Smoke It's Charlie's ghost Hurley's having delusions, and it's neither of the above. Based on the fact Hurley refers to an unnamed 'it', presumably the Island, wanting them to go back, I think Charlie-Ghost being a creation of the monster is possible. The Monster having abilities off the Island could also mean the coincidences leading up to certain people being on the plane, were less down to chance/fate, and more 'chosen' by the entity. __________________ Copious amounts of animals were harmed in the making of this post.

02-04-2008, 07:58 AM	#9 (permalink)
keeno_82uk Hunting Survivor Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: UK Fave Character: Locke Lost Item: Hunting Knife Posts: 302 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 1	I see it as Hurley's guilt at being rescued from the island and leaving the rest behind. this may be that he knows something, like a danger the people on the island are unaware of or it may be that they realise they belong on the island and feel a connection with it. __________________

02-04-2008, 09:29 AM	#10 (permalink)
*D-Roc* Hello Again :) Island Architect Tournaments Won: 1 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Locke's Heart Fave Character: Locke Lost Item: Crucifix Posts: 17,151	I don't think it was smokey - although I do agree with Hurley in regards to the island wanting them to go back. My understanding from watching this scene and putting into context from previous episodes, is that the dead still exist..only behind the curtain, if you will. I think Charlotte Malkin made an important revelation in Eko's 2.21 flashback - she said that when she momentarily died, she saw Yemi "between places". Deceased Yemi asked her to pass a 'message' on to Eko - this, I believe if very similar to what Hurley experienced. Charlie's 'being'..not necessarily his 'ghost' (although that still works) still exists in another dimension, if you will. The island, perhaps overlaps both our dimension and that dimnesion - which is why such visitations are more apparant on the island. In saying that, I do believe that the island may have sent Charlie. Although it's quite possible that Charlie sent himself..Hurley's subconscious is still tuned into the island..essentially that is what Hurley's gift is - the radio scene with Sayid near the end of S1, as well as in his 1.19 flashback, is a clue I think. Hurley is able to tune into heigher frequencies (but i'll explain more of that 'idea' in an upcoming theory). Just to quickly support that, notice how at first Charlie seemed unable to see Hurley..he seemed to walk very slowly, with his arms out-stretch - like how a visually impaired person would if they didn't have their guidedog. I believe that this is because Charlie was stepping over (into this world) and the lin between himself and Charlie only grew stronger once Hurley saw him and eventually began to believe what he was seeing - the link was fully connected once Charlie removed his sunglasses. If so, this is interesting as it would make sense in my mind, for beings from another dimension to take a while to adjust to coming over to this dimension. __________________ Ben shows Jack how to Pop his Collar --- Following Ben Linus to the end of the wheel AND IN TURN, THE END OF TIME & SPACE Time is Not Linear, Hence it can be LOST

02-04-2008, 10:54 AM	#11 (permalink)
The Wizard Locke Falls Island Believer Breakout Champion! Cricket Challenge Champion! Tournaments Won: 1 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Somewhereeeeeee, beyond the sea Fave Character: Locke Posts: 8,304 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 5	Yeah he did seem like a blind person at first with the funny walk and the glasses... good spot __________________ This is where I lurk

02-04-2008, 10:56 AM	#12 (permalink)
Matt Gogi 3 Minutes Island Survivor Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Near Norwich Fave Character: Smokey Lost Item: Sonic Fence Posts: 5,184 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 1	I thought that was merely to comfort Hurley... __________________ Power, Beauty, Soul

02-04-2008, 11:10 AM	#13 (permalink)
The Wizard Locke Falls Island Believer Breakout Champion! Cricket Challenge Champion! Tournaments Won: 1 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Somewhereeeeeee, beyond the sea Fave Character: Locke Posts: 8,304 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 5	Well it could have been but he seemed a little bit unsteady on his feet And then there's the glasses __________________ This is where I lurk

02-04-2008, 11:12 AM	#14 (permalink)
Matt Gogi 3 Minutes Island Survivor Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Near Norwich Fave Character: Smokey Lost Item: Sonic Fence Posts: 5,184 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 1	But he's a bloody rock god who's dead They were sunglasses, not blind glasses :P __________________ Power, Beauty, Soul

02-04-2008, 11:20 AM	#15 (permalink)
The Wizard Locke Falls Island Believer Breakout Champion! Cricket Challenge Champion! Tournaments Won: 1 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Somewhereeeeeee, beyond the sea Fave Character: Locke Posts: 8,304 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 5	What's the difference? I'm not sure there are such a thing as 'blind glasses'... or are there? __________________ This is where I lurk