3x18 'D.O.C' Official Discussion Thread

[Murgatroyd]

Is it a difference between working for Paik as in just being a part of his business and 'working for him' as in doing his dirty work? Did Paik mean that he'd expect Jin to carry out his 'personal business' - meaning assassinations and beatings and the like - from that point onwards?

[Easily confused]

Originally Posted by St. Anger (o'_'o)

Yeah though I suppose it was just good timing as Jin went to ask for Paik's blessing and it gave Paik the perfect opportunity to get Jin to work for him.**Had Jin not gone to Paik, I'm sure Paik would've told Jin he must work for him for reasons x and y

Ohhhh wait a sec, they were already married? **So maybe in S1/2 [can't remember which] when Jin went to Paik, maybe it wasn't for his blessing then?... but I'm certain that's what happened.**Jin came back from inside, walked up to Jin as though he'd receive bad news from Paik but then he started laughing and declared Paik gave his blessing, so long as he worked for him!**What a stupid continuity error IF indeed it is one and we're both pretty certain it is.

after giving it some more thought there is of course the chance that Jin was already working for Mr P as his assistant

Jin asks for Suns hand in marriage Mr P says yes but you have to be my assistant but we tell Sun you are just my floor manager then Sun says can I have some money or I let everyone know what you actually do so then Mr P thinks I will let Jin keep that job he already has make her think its her fault that he is doing that job so she feels bad for her husband as payback for trying to blackmail me - which I think you will agree is plausible (but long winded)

Originally Posted by Angs

Yeah they must've moved Flats then.**Tbh, I didn't notice the Flats were different so well done for spotting it **And yeah that's a possible explanation, i.e. that they'd moved into a new Flat after they were married, hence why Jin's "bloody hands" scene was in a different Flat.**Huh?, you mean the bedroom scene went back to the first Flat? **Either it's a continuity error again, or they were trying got kids before marriage [unlikely lol] OR it's the same Flat but looks different from different angles and because it's been moved around and has new furniture?*

I am pretty sure there are two different flats but wouldn't be surprised if I am wrong but I am sure the 2nd flat was more expensive looking and more airy and I am sure bedroom furniture is completely different

but I am still to work out why exactly Jin came home covered in blood and not freshen up elsewhere before coming home?

Originally Posted by Angs

And lol seeing as nobody has replied thus far and I shamelessly want a reply ... I thought maybe you could check out my last post in this thread - http://www.lostcommunity.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?tid=4193 - though if it's nothing of interest, you don't have to reply

I'll see what I can do

[St. Anger]

Originally Posted by EC

after giving it some more thought there is of course the chance that Jin was already working for Mr P as his assistant

Jin asks for Suns hand in marriage Mr P says yes but you have to be my assistant but we tell Sun you are just my floor manager then Sun says can I have some money or I let everyone know what you actually do so then Mr P thinks I will let Jin keep that job he already has make her think its her fault that he is doing that job so she feels bad for her husband as payback for trying to blackmail me - which I think you will agree is plausible (but long winded)

Ahhh good thinking there, that makes total sense But yeah it is asking a little much of Lost fans to piece together. Hmmm wait a second, when Jin asked for Paik's blessing but was told he'd have to work for him first, is it possible that it was just a normal job?, i.e. not working for Paik's mob? So when Paik tells Sun that Jin will now work for his mob, he was telling the truth?

Originally Posted by EC

I am pretty sure there are two different flats but wouldn't be surprised if I am wrong but I am sure the 2nd flat was more expensive looking and more airy and I am sure bedroom furniture is completely different

but I am still to work out why exactly Jin came home covered in blood and not freshen up elsewhere before coming home?

Hmmm I guess they just moved to a better Flat, though the different locations of earlier and later scenes seems like continuity errors to me.

Yeah, I'm sure he could've used a public toilet somewhere, though wouldn't he risk being seen by police officers and taken into custody?, most likely.

Originally Posted by EC

I'll see what I can do

Lol thanks for replying hee hee I'm gunna reply to it now

[Easily confused]

Originally Posted by St. Anger (o'_'o)

Ahhh good thinking there, that makes total sense **But yeah it is asking a little much of Lost fans to piece together.**Hmmm wait a second, when Jin asked for Paik's blessing but was told he'd have to work for him first, is it possible that it was just a normal job?, i.e. not working for Paik's mob?**So when Paik tells Sun that Jin will now work for his mob, he was telling the truth?

but why the (i am assuming) demotion from assistant to floor manager

Originally Posted by EC

Ibut I am still to work out why exactly Jin came home covered in blood and not freshen up elsewhere before coming home?

Originally Posted by St Angs

Yeah, I'm sure he could've used a public toilet somewhere, though wouldn't he risk being seen by police officers and taken into custody?, most likely.

i would have thought Mr P would have provided wash rooms for such a purpose he wouldn't want this reps walking around covered in blood for all to see

[St. Anger]

Originally Posted by Murgatroyd

Is it a difference between working for Paik as in just being a part of his business and 'working for him' as in doing his dirty work? Did Paik mean that he'd expect Jin to carry out his 'personal business' - meaning assassinations and beatings and the like - from that point onwards?

I think originally when Paik gave Jin his blessing to marry Sun [back in S2 I think it was, not sure] so long as he worked for Paik, well this "work" was standard company work I would presume at that point. However in the latest Sun centric eppy [D.O.C], Paik declared Jin would work for his mob, carrying out dirty deeds and such like.

Though Paik is pretty much an evil sod for doing this to Sun because it'd no doubt put a strain on Sun and Jin's relationship [which is eventually did]. I'm sure Paik could've just given Sun the money no questions asked however telling Sun it would be a one-off and that he would never give her such money again. Though did Sun have the choice to decline the money, as I assume she didn't have to "pass go" as it were and could've said "Dad on second thought, you keep the money, I'd much rather my Husband not kill people for a living".

[St. Anger]

Originally Posted by Easily confused

but why the (i am assuming) demotion from assistant to floor manager

I don't follow... **What demotion?

Originally Posted by EC

i would have thought Mr P would have provided wash rooms for such a purpose he wouldn't want this reps walking around covered in blood for all to see

Well I'm suppose Jin home from a "job".**Giving violent warnings and murdering people obviously don't take place on site at Paik's company offices lol **Though I suppose Paik would've tell his mob members that they can use the facilities at his company building, though the thing is...again...people would see Jin covered in blood.**Though of course this depends on what time Jin came home covered in blood and whether people would still have been at work at Paik's HQ.

[Easily confused]

Originally Posted by St. Anger (o'_'o)

I don't follow... **What demotion?

i'm working on the assumption that Mr P's assistant is higher up than being a floor manager


why are you torn today ?

[Easily confused]

Originally Posted by St. Anger (o'_'o)

Though did Sun have the choice to decline the money, as I assume she didn't have to "pass go" as it were and could've said "Dad on second thought, you keep the money, I'd much rather my Husband not kill people for a living".

Perhaps then Jin was doing Mr P's dirty work all along and Sun knew it and she though either I take the money and have my dad know that I know what my husband is doing or I leave the money and carry on pretending that I don't know what he is doing even though he is doing it

[St. Anger]

Originally Posted by Easily confused

i'm working on the assumption that Mr P's assistant is higher up than being a floor manager

why are you torn today ?

Did Paik say Jin would be his assistant?**Lol I can't remember.**But yeah for sure in general an assistant is much higher than a floor manager, as the latter is more or less a supervisor.

I'm torn because I didn't know whether to buy a rip off tub of Ben and Jerry's ice-cream or a nice big tub of cheaper stuff for when I watch Lost tomorrow night **I chose B&J's ice-cream, though if I run out... I saw a big tub of cheap ice-cream in my freezer at home ...sure my mum won't mind me having like....HALF! ...though it means less for my nephews to eat

Originally Posted by EC

Perhaps then Jin was doing Mr P's dirty work all along and Sun knew it and she though either I take the money and have my dad know that I know what my husband is doing or I leave the money and carry on pretending that I don't know what he is doing even though he is doing it

*Is confused and reads that again*

Ahhhh right, hmmm I don't see what you mean exactly.**Sun needed the money no matter what [well in her eyes anyways to protect her family from Jin's family history].**But we don't know whether Jin was working for the mob before Sun took the money, as I presume Jin had a normal office-esque job.**Sun merely knew what her Dad was operating for all those years and stated that she knew all those years but pretended not to know.**Though it would appear she was a little bit taken back when Paik declared Jin would NOW work for his mob.