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Originally Posted by D-Roc

I would question the "bottle" that it took for Sawyer to jump, considering it was (in my opinion) more about self-preservation and not wanting to go home, more than anything. I think it would have taken more bottle to stay in the chopper, rather than leap out when you know full well that you'll be able to swim back if you jump out now - but that's for another thread

But you raise an interesting point - motivation. Sawyer had more reason to swim back to the island than Hugo did (again, suggesting that Sawyer was scared of going back home?).

I do worry at this 'brave' light that Sawyer's act seems to be viewed in. The more I think about it, the more it seems self-interested, as opposed to brave. Sawyer wants to be the martyr, he wants to be the "Charlie" and he's literally trying to buy the martyr ticket. Bravery is doing something self sacrificing..not self-serving. If i was in a car that I knew was going to crash in 5 minutes, and I jumped out..would I be 'brave'? Heck no, deep down I'd know that I did what was right for me. But there you go

Seriously, the man jumped out of a helicopter and swam to the island all smiles. What about Satsuma Phillips? What about Sundance?

As for Hugo, yeah, he probably was scared witless..although he must be a decent swimmer seeing as he had less trouble than Jack in finding that life raft after the chopper crashed

I disagree. The reason being is that (using an extreme example and I apologise now if this causes any offence) a person commiting suicide. It is my understanding that many - dispite having suffcient motivation (perhaps more motivation than Sawyer) to go through with the deed, just can't get themselves to do it. Why? Because of the strong surivial instinct. The fact that hitting the water from such a great height is bound to hurt - a lot. I mean even proffessional divers (and Im not talking about Drogba here ) lose their bottle - and they have done the dives thousands of times.

Yes Sawyer had suffiecent motivation to do so - but at the same time, pyschologically, he had to overcome a lot to throw himself out of that helicopter. So yes, what he did was brave. Bare in mind also, that that water, as he well knows, is shark infested. I do conceed that there may have been a degree of self preservation in there as well. But, I would say that diving out of a car before its going to crash was brave Roco - you are, diving out of the car at the same speed the car is going at, you could easily break your neck or do somthing else stupid.

As for the smiles - well that could be attributed to the man that Sawyer is, but also that jumping out of the helicopter and surviving, is going to give anyone a huge adreanline rush that will neccitate a big high. Furthermore, I think he was laughing at his own good luck - or perhaps he was laughing that the whole "so close yet so far" thing?

As for Hurley. Well a lot of people dont have faith in thier ablities - I dont, and can do things that they dont think they are capble of. That said, Hurley is hardley the fittest person on the island and I do doubt his physical capacity to do what Sawyer did. In regards to him reaching the raft first - well fat does tend to be quite boyant in water .