Official Season 2 Episode 20 Discussion

[Mantis Zero]

Feel free to post while i compose myself

[Kiowa Warrior]

Good Grief!!!!

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*is still unable to compose a proper post*

[Snowy~Owl]

Well I'll be first to reply then, I hope I don't spoil it.

I suppose I will have to start at the end, as that ending was so disturbing. What on earth has happened to Michael? Is he under the influence of the others? Is he one of them now? Or does he have the sickness in some format? I suppose he shot himself to enable Gale to go free and make it look like Gale was the murderer. Did he know this would happen? I think Henry Gale may have expected a traitor in the camp to set him free.

Unless Michael was in on it all along? Would he be the big boss in all of this? Did he father Walt because he was special himself? Is Michael the undercover Hanso agent within the group?

Locke is the one wanted by the others.

Ana-Lucia knew Jacks dad.

Didn't that girl look like Claire? I thought it was at first. The one Jack's dad visited.

So many questions and not a clue what I'm talking about. I will have to pop on tomorrow when I can think things through a little more. Just for once I couldn't resist tonight.

[Mushi]

I dont think I am capable of words just yet!

These damm writers did this to me with Shannon, just as I was coming round to liking her they go and kill her off!!

Well to be honest my best friend had told me a few weeks ago, oh you wont be surprised about the deaths, the actors have had accidents in real life, and well all I could think off was Ana and Libby, due to the drink driving but I had no idea they would write both of them out!

Poor Hurley!!!!

I am still debating if Michael is "an other" or not!!

All these crossovers in flashbacks are getting confusing, so tonight we had Christian and Sawyer in Ana's I never got a good look at the woman, was it Kats's mom?? Does this mean Kate and Jack are half brothers??

Oh and should I now be saying poor Sawyer too, after his rumble in the Jungle with Ana!

Oh so much to take in!! I need to stop to breath 1st!!

[Nickeshi]

I used to dislike michael...but now

[Mantis Zero]

Holy %*"#!!!

I totally did not see that one coming, but wow. Ana and Libby werent my favourite characters to say the least but that was a major shocker. I guess Libby was in the wrong place at the wrong time, or was it just fate? I think he was sent by the others to kill Ana (as Henry alluded to at the start, they didnt like her and she killed two of their people for no justifiable reason in their eyes), poor Mike! You just saw his heart breaking again when he did it, then framing Henry. Is he doing this for Walt? I have a suspicion the others said they will kill Walt if he didnt kill Ana, aww man. Why does Michael always get dumped on, I really felt for him he must feel terrible

My condolences to Roco and Nikeshi, Ana's two fans. Also to... theres no Libby fans are there?

Ah anyway back to the analysis. I actually enjoyed this episode despite the Ana heavy circumstances and I loved the scene with Henry, Ana and Locke at the start. Henry is a smart man, he knows the score

So Christian was the reason Ana was in Australia? What the hell was he thinking? Did he say he wanted to see his DAUGHTER!? Could this be Claire he was looking for? Is she Jack's half-sister? What the hell is going on!? There's definately something not right about old Mr Shepard. Chronology messes up again as Christian hits Sawyer with a door then goes in the bar after him when he had been there some time in Sawyers version of events.

I really believed what Michael said at first but when he said he would kill Henry I knew something was up, he's not that kind of guy even after all he's been though. I always said Ana + guns was going to spell trouble and how ironic that her need for one was what gave Michael the chance to carry out the assasination.

Further notes on Ana's death - It'll come back around. We saw that Ana hadnt really changed all that much in her attitude, "he tried to kill me so I WILL kill him" but then she redeems herself at the last second much like Sawyer with the boar. Except this time the island wasnt so forgiving and Ana was executed much like Jason was. Is this a pattern in deaths? Theresa falls down the stairs, Boone falls down the cliff etc?

Personally I think the deaths were actually because of the real life drink driving charges on the actresses and the writers obviously thought turning Mike into a bad guy was easier than making people like him.

[Mantis Zero]

Originally Posted by Nickeshi,Aug 29 2006, 23:19 PM

I used to dislike michael...but now

leave poor Mike alone, he clearly didnt want to do it but I guess it was Ana or Walt

[Murgatroyd]

Assuming Michael was doing this under some kind of promise that he'd get Walt back, what on earth's he going to say to the kid? 'Hey Walt! I got you back by killing people!' Number One Dad!

It's not entirely unbelievable character development...it's least he's not reverting to type. We do know he'll do anything, pretty much, for Walt, though I must admit I didn't imagine his test would be killing vast swathes of his companions. I can't really imagine he's doing this for any reason other than Walt.

Other major point of interest: were the Other really coming for Locke, or is that another Henry Power Game? Either way, it'll pose an interesting dilemma for Locke. Frankly, he looked terrified...but we do know that, above all else, the man wants to feel wanted.....

[Mushi]

I know it makes more sense for the woman to be claires Mum, I have to admit I didnt see it, but for me it makes more sense to the plot for it to be Kates mom, but I am thinking the woman was a little too young to be Kates mother!

I am just in shock the now!!

I agree it was totally for the drink driving charges, basically the writers were watching their backs!

[Nickeshi]

The breakthrough then die thing happened again, i'm not sure if theres more to it or just if its just a way to make everyone feel bad when someone dies just when they were changing?

[Murgatroyd]

Ana wasn't breaking through to quite the extent I thought she was...she couldn't kill Henry herself, but she was fairly content to allow a second party to carry out his execution on her behalf. That's not much better.

Libby has my total sympathy too though. She'd done precisely nothing wrong at any point. Odd choice, actually, unless her removal from the show really was down to Watros' behaviour. Why give us that info about her being in the hospital and then deny her a flashback? We didn't even see Hurley remembering where he saw her. Very weird timing.

[Mantis Zero]

If Michael does get Walt back I cant see Henry taking the blame for the murders. With the whole Malcolm (Walt) reaching puberty issue and with the way the writers are currently handling things I wouldnt be surprised if they just say Jack kicks Michael out of the group but he gets Walt back and goes to live on the other side of the island never to be seen again. I would be massively pissed if they wrote Michael out aswell, thats 3 characters down the drain in 5 minutes.

[Mantis Zero]

Yeah I didnt see a breakthrough with Ana like we did with Shannon, Ana ironically handed Michael the gun quite happy that he was going to use it to kill somebody.

As for the Libby issue I wouldnt put it past the producers just wanting to axe Cynthia Watros over the drink driving the same way they wanted to make an example of Maggie Grace for asking for a pay rise and trying to audition for X-Men 3.

[Mushi]

It does look like they are having a character clear out!!

I think they are making room for new characters next season!! I think right now they have the optimum number of main characters so basically they had to get rid of a couple!

[Kiowa Warrior]

I've said it once and I'll say it again: Good Grief!!

When Michael got the gun off AL I thought that he was going to go and unlock Henry and then threaten AL with it while they both escaped - Mike would return Henry in exchange for Walt (or at least that is what Mike was told).

But then he shoots AL!

And then Libby! Twice!!

I was not expecting that ending at all. I think Michael really did regret having to kill AL - but I guess if all of what he did is to get Walt back, then he would do pretty much anything for his son. I'm not sure about Mike being an Other from the start though...I reckon that the Others sent him a message on the computer all those episodes ago to meet them, and then they told him what he had to do in order to get Walt back.

And during the first break or so, I was thinking of posting something along the lines of 'my admiration for Henry has gone up no end after he gave AL a pretty good beating :P ' but I can't say that now this has happened!!
AL still showed some of her more negative characteristics during that episode, but she really did seem to be treading the right path at the end. At her very end I never warmed to her, but did think she had great screen presence and for that at least I will miss her.

And the whole Locke/Henry/good people situation is too much to get into at this time of night, so for now I will just say 'Good Grief!' again, and come back to this in the morning.